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[EXCLUSIVE] Bob Lazar Reveals NEW NAME at S4! - DEBRIEFED ep. 87

⏱ 36 min video · 3 min read8 May 2026Worth watching

TL;DR

Bob Lazar reveals for the first time publicly the name of a security guard at S4 named Chuck Payne, a detail he had deliberately withheld for decades as a verification test. The interview also covers Dennis Mariani, the Janet Airlines co-pilot corroboration, the liquid Lazar drank at S4, and the three classified briefing documents he accessed: Galileo, Sidekick, and Looking Glass.

Key points

Bob Lazar publicly names 'Chuck Payne' for the first time as an S4 security guard he had withheld as a verification detail — if someone claims to have been at S4, they should know that name

A former Janet Airlines co-pilot independently corroborated Dennis Mariani's existence, stating he flew the Groom Lake routes between 1987-1991 and knew Mariani personally

Lazar describes a post-disclosure meeting where Dennis Mariani invited him to the Union Plaza Hotel, but Mariani refused to acknowledge him on arrival — and Lazar spotted apparent S4 security personnel leaving from Mariani's direction

Lazar confirms the opaque yellow pine-flavored liquid he drank at S4 was an immune system booster, not a hallucinogen — given unknown materials at the site with unknown effects on the human body

Lazar states his two directives at S4 were: (1) duplicate the alien propulsion system using existing materials, and (2) disable the system remotely — and speculates the second directive may have been achieved

Key takeaways

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Chuck Payne is now a public name to research in connection with S4 security — Lazar says anyone genuinely present at S4 would have known him due to his unusually extroverted personality among guards

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Lazar draws a hard methodological line between what he physically worked on versus what he was told or read — he considers only hands-on experience reliable, as briefing documents may contain deliberate disinformation

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The Looking Glass program involved time dilation research; Lazar suggests gravity propulsion (his area) is the foundational technology that enables both the Sidekick and Looking Glass applications

Notable quotes

“If you were at S4, you knew Chuck Payne. If somebody said, name a guard's name, they'd say Chuck Payne.”

“The way they screw with you is by inserting incorrect and misleading information into what they're telling you — and it's specific to each person, so if they start hearing that from somewhere else, they know exactly who said it.”

“With the gravity, you get time. So if you've got the gravity propulsion and the power system, the other two will come — but you can start with those two and you'll never get to that one.”

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Worth watching the full video?

Worth watching if you follow the Bob Lazar case closely and want to see the Chuck Payne reveal and Dennis Mariani hotel confrontation described in Lazar's own words — otherwise the key details are all captured here.

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